Bad language and insults

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Bad language and insults

Postby Neill on Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:02 pm

I recently had an email conversation with some one about censorship on a message board / forum.

I have thought about the subject a lot this week and would like to express my views to receive your comments and maybe help myself and future admins /moderators to make the correct decisions.

1. Swearing upsets some people and should not be used in a forum such as this.
I do not know what nowadays constitutes swearing. I guess I would edit posts if the language was language I would not want my 15 year old son to hear.

2. Insulting people is a no no.
I do consider the following sentence to be insulting.
"You are a stupid idiot"
But I would accept the following.
"The views you express suggest that you either have little understanding of the subject or maybe did not consider enough before posting"

3. Every one is entitled to their opinions.
"I really think that Neill is wasting his and our time with this (in my opinion) badly designed and meaningless forum"
is perfectly acceptable.

So let me hear your views on "the rules" you think should regulate our little community?
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Ercesuzan on Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:35 pm

I don't like bad language or blatant insults, its just not my style and that's just how I am. I don't object to others using either because sadly that is the way of the world and I know I am in the minority.

If I could ban both bad language and insults I would. If I could make the world a happier friendlier place I would. Both unrealistic expectations.

I am not offended as such by bad language I just find it unnecessary and a bit tiresome and very imature.

Respect for oneself and others would make both redundant.

So I agree Neill both should not to be tolerated on here they are imature and unnecessary.
All for now, take care
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby scootrider on Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:53 pm

Hi Neill,

I totally agree. No swearing and no insults.

Personally I wouldn't regard 'bloody' as a swear word but anything stronger has no place on this or any other forum for supposedly intellectual students, (IMHO).

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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Chris Dann on Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:10 pm

Hi All
I also think that 'SHOUTING' is not really acceptable :? , as suggested on the T214 fora, and sarcasm should be tempered with a smilie. :roll:
Chris
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Mercurius on Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:41 am

Chris Dann wrote:Hi All
I also think that 'SHOUTING' is not really acceptable :? , as suggested on the T214 fora, and sarcasm should be tempered with a smilie. :roll:
Chris


I'm not convinced by that last argument Chris. It implies that as long as you end your comment with a smiley that somehow 'neutralizes' whatever had been said before. The net effect is akin to proceeding an argument with "I don't mean to offend, but.." and following on with comments the author knows full well are going to cause offense to some people. Either you accept that offence may be caused or you self-censor, which defeats the purpose of the forum to provide a free exchange of views. In summation "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

That.. and smileys are really tacky!
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Neill on Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:37 pm

smileys are really tacky

I have a different opinion about that.
in normal conversation there are so many visual clues that are just not available in a forum.
Therefore I find the use of smileys very useful in expressing the sentiment behind my thoughts and making the "forum experience" more like a real conversation.

If we were talking face to face I could say.
"It is snowing!"
and straight away you would know if I am happy (snowboarding) or sad (digging car out again) about this fact.

In writing I have to write
"I am so happy that it is snowing - I am walking round with a smile on myself since two days."
but that is a bit long winded so

"It is snowing!" :D :)
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Teiana on Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:01 pm

swearing is a no - you should always post as if there is a 5 yr old child watching every other reader... occasional mild swearing can be overlooked but in general swearing should be removed by moderator.
insults shouldn't be personal - ideally all posts should address the subject/issue and not the poster. If you're 'talking' back to the poster then what you are saying may well belong in email rather than a message board. This is difficult to achieve in practice and would remove some of the opportunities for humour. Still worth bearing in mind.
Useful to remember if you think someone has insulted you on a message board sometimes messaging them privately can sort it out without everyone else being dragged into a row. Recently on another board i insulted someone who insulted me back - we then exchanged messages privately and both agreed we'd come out even and there were no hard feelings, still, in the meantime a load of other people jumped on the thread and whinged about 'negativity' and how horrible everything was - thus creating the very problem they were complaining about, and ignorant of the fact the issue had already been resolved. Check dates - if you step in and see what looks like trouble but it was 2 days ago, odds on it's already water under the bridge.
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Andrea on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:02 am

Neill wrote:Swearing upsets some people and should not be used in a forum such as this.


We had similar discussions amongst moderators within T214 and I preferred a 'laissez-faire' approach in that the group as a whole would readily, directly and publicly admonish individuals. It is very difficult to lay down strict rules -- what one person may perceive as offensive language might be perfectly acceptable to another. When, however, a critical mass of individuals take offence, then I guess the individual gets the point. I certainly think the group in T214 as a whole handled one particularly extreme right-wing fascist pretty well.

I have a tendency to occasionally say outrageous things and rely on others to tell me when I have overstepped the line. It is certainly more acceptable to be a bit more outspoken in the culture where I come from -- and people have no problems in responding without taking personal offence. But I would understand somebody deleting a posting at such a sensitive stage in the development of this forum -- the last thing we want is to upset and lose people just as we are building up the critical mass for long-term viability.
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby Chris Dann on Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:33 pm

Deleting a post can't trun the clock back. When someone is hurt, removing the post will not negate the hurt. Therefore we all need to be more sensitive nd grown up than Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand!!!
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Re: Bad language and insults

Postby jim_lewis1 on Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:31 am

I think moderators believing that others might be offended by something you have said is a bit patronising and unnecessarily intrusive.

I made a very oblique reference to porn in a discussion about ways a government might boost its population, (by getting everyone in the mood showing adult films on the state tv station), and received an email from one of the moderators saying she had removed my post as others might find it offensive.

I really feel that bearing in mind the OU is for adults they are unlikley to be unaware of the existence of porn.

It was too trivial to pursue, but unless someone is deliberately and personally offensive I think the greater danger is stifling discussions and effectively censoring the debate.

I also think that swear words have a useful and valid place in expression, although whether that holds in a forum or not I'm not sure, as Neill points out the most innocent of messages can be misconstrued without the other cues.
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