October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

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October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:07 am

As we trundle up to this date of "direct action for climate Justice", I'll be on the lookout for what "system" people think needs to be changed, and what they propose as the alternative. if anybody comes across any news stories on this, it would be great to share it here. I'll also be keeping my eyes peeled :geek:
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby jim_lewis1 on Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:54 am

this is the first I have heard about this movement. What are its origins? what are they hoping to achieve?
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:02 am

This is an example of where I've seen the slogan used:

http://www.ecologyandsocialism.org/ (n.b. you can download the first chapter of the book here: http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pdf/eas.pdf )

But I don't think it's an exclusively left-wing slogan. For example, Climate Camp have also been using it.
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:07 am

when I started watching this,I thought "maybe I'll show this short video clip to the primary school I'm talking to on Monday..."

http://www.1010global.org/no-pressure

..............maybe not! :shock:
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Neill on Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:14 pm

Must have been bad.
It has gone now.
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:14 pm

It's now on YouTube, but you have to "confirm" that you are over 18 by registering.

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_ ... x4yr0FFhMQ

It is a pretty horrific film. this is what one journalist, on the Telegraph wrote:

Eco-fascism jumps the shark: massive, epic fail!

I predicted this morning that No Pressure – Richard Curtis’s spectacularly ill-judged eco-propaganda movie for the 10:10 campaign – would prove a disastrous own goal for the green movement.

But what I could never have imagined was how quickly public disgust – even among greenies – would reach such a pitch that the campaigners would be compelled to withdraw it from the internet.

That, at any rate, is what they keep trying to do – cancelling it whenever it appears on You Tube, pulling it from their campaign website and so on.

Unfortunately their efforts are being frustrated by people on the sceptical side of the climate debate, who keep peskily insisting on reposting the video where everyone can view it. And rightly so. With No Pressure, the environmental movement has revealed the snarling, wicked, homicidal misanthropy beneath its cloak of gentle, bunny-hugging righteousness........ http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... epic-fail/


I actually agree with the sentiments. The film shows people in positions of power (schoolteachers, business managers, etc) blowing up climate change denying students, office workers etc. The footage is pretty gruesome. The final shot is of two ejected eyeballs oozing their way down a window that is splattered in blood.

The eco-fascist accusations are very apt. And a very good reminder of how bad things could get with hierarchical institutions, even if those on top are "environmentally friendly" :cry:
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:42 pm

This link doesn't require registration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSTLDel- ... _embedded#!
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Teiana on Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:38 pm

so, you've told us it's horrible, and ends badly. But, for some reason, you still think we are going to watch! :roll:
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby jim_lewis1 on Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:52 pm

well if you're going to pass opinion on something you should have at least seen it.

I agree though, just exactly what the green movement didn't need, it plays right into the hands of people wanting to portray greens as fascist dictators.

Unbelievably bad judegment. Are we sure Curtis is actually a supporter? this looks like deliberate sabotage.
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Re: October 12, 2010: change the system, not the climate!

Postby Andrea on Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:50 am

jim_lewis1 wrote:Are we sure Curtis is actually a supporter? this looks like deliberate sabotage.


I think the support was genuine, but like many comedians, it is testament to his infantile state of mind. I've always believed that any physical violence, however rational it is dressed up as, is evidence of stunted emotional development.

You could see it in my two kids as they were going through their toddler years -- resolving supposedly intractable issues by biting, hitting and kicking. It is only now that, having gained a greater maturity and better communication skills, that they have left violence behind. They still argue with each other, but I can't remember the last time that they reverted to violence to resolve issues.

Every society has immature imbeciles that think that intractable problems can be resolved through force, some have even become heads of supposedly democratic states! But I really hope that the environmental movement can grow up a little bit and go beyond the need for force. The 20th-century experiment with socialism failed because it forcibly restricted people's freedoms "for their own good". Capitalism has prevailed because it tricks people into believing that they are free. Instead, resources which were once equally accessible to everybody are commodified and appropriated in increasing proportions by elite groups, leaving the majority stuck in unescapable resource deserts.

The ecological movement has an alternative, more participative and egalitarian vision. But it will get nowhere fast if it resorts to idiotic stunts such as the Curtis video.
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